Posted by Raymond (152.163.207.208) on August 18, 2001 at 00:08:54:
In Reply to: To Sarah & Raymond. posted by Katie on August 15, 2001 at 18:11:26:
: Firstly, sorry, back to the first name I used again - typing the other one was an automatic accident before and would rather revert to this pseudonym. Anyhow, I'd like to respond to you Raymond and maybe if Sarah reads this, also ask her a question (so I'll do that first). So please bear with me Raymond (just skip down past the line if you want, I replied to you down there), I tend to be a lengthy net-typer in an effort to express myself 'net-intonation' as best I can.
: Sarah, may I just ask how a hair tie/band snapping off your wrist during a dive could injure you? I'm curious is all. Not judging your opinion, just interested in the logic behind it, as I demonstrated the logic behind mine re: both the band and glitter. Though I'll admit, I still don't understand the hair tie one. Are they like enormous hair ties or something over there :-)? They're just piddly little things here for the most part, since divers tend to have thinner hair from the chlorine, and would they’d really only resemble having a rubber band 'round your wrist. Anything big would exhaust your arms just wrapping it 'round your pony enough times to stay in place, so I am STILL trying to fathom the reasoning behind that rule. I thought of heaps of reasons, yet none of them make any sense still - and the only remotely reasonable one I could conjure up was the one I've already presented (I know how long it can take to find a hair tie when you lose it in the water - not that I think that's it, because stiff bickies if you do, really).
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: Raymond: I wasn’t getting all snappy. Sorry you took it that way. I was just being straight up. I could have just as easily taken Sarah’s comment to imply I was a dimwit for my reasoning (which she may have been doing), by the way she said, “… sayin glitter is so dangerous umm.. what kind of glitter do you people wear …”. Just as you took my comments as snappy, I could take that as insulting too.
: And yep, I was truly wondering how a hair tie slipping off your wrist mid-dive would injure (yes “would” and “injure”) you; yet my reasoning behind glitter was seemingly strange and worthy of a “that girl, an “umm” and certainty of no injury and an explanation point at the end to say so (I said I try to be precise in my expression, so I’m doing that now). The reply Sarah gave to what I said was that the glitter would not injure you, yet I never stated that it would (I don’t like having my words re-arranged or simply changed and the intent of my message completely lost).
: Personally I felt my reasoning was very logical, and so I reiterated. And yes, I didn’t understand why my post was taken to be so ludicrous in reason (that’s the feeling I got, though I might have misinterpreted the tone in the post), as I felt and still do feel that it’s a perfectly fine and plausible explanation for banning glitter.
: And you’ll have to forgive me, but I’ve been using internet message boards for so long now that I dare say I’ve developed a zero tolerance level for people (anyone) who gets a misconstrued idea of what I’ve said, then repeats it in their own words from their own understanding (taking away what I was indeed saying), and then refuting something I never said or implied. I apologise Sarah – I shouldn’t have taken my experience of totally ‘daft’ posters out on you, and I am genuinely sorry for sounding rude.
: Anyhow; “ just becuz you got glitter stuck in your eye doesn't mean that it is going to happen to the rest of us.
: I’ve never had glitter stuck in my eye (see, another assumption :-)), but I’ve been warned of it time and time again just from wearing that REALLY small stuff you apply under your eye or on your cheeks or where ever as a type of make-up accessory. But I do know someone who did have this happen badly (just a kid who had some glitter in her hair) and ended up in the emergency room in a great deal of pain and a shocking looking eye. And have also had to go to great lengths to get glitter out of my ‘sister’s’ eye before, while she was in tremendous pain (for a child).
: ” plus i am probably sure she meant a little glitter and not a whole glob of it all over yourbody and for you to get glitter into your chamois than onto your eye is just stupid half the divers out there probably check the chamois before putting on there body and if you had half a brain then you would know that if there is glitter on your body than not to wipe there and if you do then check and becuz you did not do does not mean you have to go and insult that girl.
: Okay, I wasn’t insulting her. Secondly, thirdly and fourthly: I assumed HS Diver just meant a normal amount of glitter on either the body or hair, in fact I assumed hair (body could also lead to slipping, as it’s gel based most of the time); getting it onto your chamois then eye is a relatively simple progression – females do chamois their hair (and bodies of course) or squeeze their hair with their hands and then grab their chamois when they get out of the water, and if you had glitter on you then it’d get on your chamois (no doubt in my mind that little bits of it would); and gosh, why would you check your chamois for glitter before using it, or after using it??? Would you think to do that, because I know I wouldn’t (esp. if I wasn’t wearing the glitter) – not to mention that even if I did I probably wouldn’t even see a lot of types there are; and if you couldn’t wipe your body where the glitter was, I’d be hoping it wasn’t anywhere you could slip from – but that aside, it just comes naturally to chamois your whole body (or near to), how many would think to not chamois where the glitter is if they didn’t even think there was a problem with it to begin with??
: Now reaching what my offered reason was as to why they MIGHT have that rule in place. Not only could it get on your own chamois, it could just be floating on the water and get on someone else’s or in their hair or on their body when they get out. There are numerous ways it could end up in or near your eye and that’s all I was indicating could be a problem. Something can sit in your eye and just seem like a bit of an itch or slight blur, as if it were chlorine and then shift suddenly and you can’t see and it hurts. The “dangerous” part came only from that. Again, I’m quite certain that if you had glitter in or near your eye and it shifted to pressing into your eyeball mid hurdle, you’d probably muff up your dive and depending on what dive you were doing, risk hurting yourself.
: I wasn’t insulting her; no more than she was insulting my possible reason – in turn, I asked how her hair tie on the wrist reason was more injury provoking than glitter in the eye.
: It’s not LIKELY you’d get glitter in your eye from the water, etc … but heck, if you had a whole bunch in your hair, it’s very likely you may end up with it in your eye (it may not be a bother though, but it also might). AND, I haven’t seen much American diving (but I know there’s a lot of teenage girls doing it); yet I’ve seen a lot of American gymnasts and they plaster their heads with glitter, as do other female sports athletes in similar sports like figure skating. And the synchro swimmers do it too – so I was just trying to offer a feasible explanation as to why it MAY be in place as a rule (or should I say, a disqualification if ‘discovered’).
: And like it or not, with the litigation world the way it is now (esp. in the U.S.), every possible precaution is going to be taken (with or without given valid reason). So I don’t know the reasons, I was just offering my opinion.
First off i do not care how long you have been using message boards and i can really care less, all that i was saying was that the tone i got from your reply to sarah was degrading and i so i did the same thing to you, and now you know how it feels to be degraded from a reply. also i did not assume that you had glitter in your eyes in fact if maybe you would read you would see that i say PROBABLY and that does not mean that you certainly did so there YOU go taking MY words and changing them into a different meaning which i could have sworn you said you hated being done to your words. Also if you havenot seen so much american diving then don't make the answer seem so obvious since YOU DON'T live in the United States and do not know how it goes. So basically what i am saying is that i can see the reasoning over what you were saying it was just that the way you put it back to her sounded so degrading. If you did not meant it than OOHH WELL cuz that is what you implied